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Actor Rakul Preet Singh asks Sadhguru about the oft-discussed topic of law of attraction and whether it works.
演员Rakul Preet Singh询问萨古鲁关于被人津津乐道的吸引力法则及其是否有效。
Rakul: So my question is, if someone is sending out... okay, you want your life to be a certain way, you send out positive signals which is great, but...
Rakul:所以我的问题是,如果某个人发出……好,你想让你的人生变成某种样子,你发出了一个积极的信号,这很好,但……
Sadhguru: To whom?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):向谁发送?
Rakul: To the universe, to the universe.
Rakul:向这个宇宙,向宇宙。
Sadhguru: Which direction, up or down?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):朝哪个方向,向上还是向下?
Rakul: That's what I'm asking, how does the law of attraction work? Does it really work?
Rakul: 那正是我想问的,吸引力法则是怎么运作的?它真的有用吗?
Sadhguru: Law of attraction is something that happens between opposites. Yes! Whether two magnets or you know, two opposites, male and female or whichever way, law of attraction is always between opposites, isn't it? From North Pole to South Pole, to this and that, it is working like that.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):吸引力法则是发生在两个对立面之间的东西。是的!无论是两个磁铁或者,你知道,两个对立面,男人和女人或无论哪种,吸引力法则总是在对立面之间,不是吗?从北极到南极,这个和那个,它是这样运作的。
Rakul: Right.
Rakul:对。
Sadhguru: Now you're talking about the universe, so that means you are an alien to this universe?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):现在你在谈宇宙,这意味着你对于这个宇宙,是个外星人吗?
Rakul: Part of the universe.
Rakul:是宇宙的一部分。
Sadhguru: If it's part of the universe, what is there to be attracted about?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):如果是宇宙的一部分,那还有什么好吸引的?
Rakul: Well, how... why do they say then you can design your own destiny?
Rakul:那么,为什么他们说你可以设计自己的命运?
Sadhguru: You can. You can determine your destiny, you should. That's what being human means.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):你可以。你可以决定自己的命运,你应该这样。这是身为人类的意义。
Rakul: Right.
Rakul:是的。
Sadhguru: See, if you had come here like any other creature on this planet, they have compulsive cycles. They live by that, it's okay for them because that's all they're capable of. Actually, if you look at your life, you're not doing anything very greatly different from what the other creatures are doing. They are born, you are born, you grow up, they grow up, they... they reproduce, you reproduce, they die, you die. Tch, nothing very different, but these same simple things we can conduct them consciously. That is the significant thing about being human. The moment you conduct it, let's say you conduct your hand consciously, now this hand will do what you want, isn't it? You won't simply sit here and do like this (Gestures). Now, this will... hand will do what you want. Suppose you conduct your thought consciously, now your thought will do what you want. If your thought was doing what you want, how would you keep yourself, blissful or miserable?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):瞧,如果你是像这个星球上的其他生物一样来到这里,它们有强迫性循环周期。它们照此生活,这对它们来说没问题,因为它们只有这些能力。实际上,如果你审视一下你自己的生活,你所做的与其他生物所做的并无很大的不同。它们出生,你也出生,你长大,它们也长大,它们繁衍,你也繁衍,它们死去,你也死去。啧,没有太大不同,但同样这些简单的事,我们能够有意识地进行。这就是作为人的重要意义。你做事的那一刻,比如说你有意识地运用你的手,现在这只手会做你想做的事,不是吗?你不是单纯坐在这里并这样做(手势)。现在,这会……手会做你想做的事。假设你有意识地运用你的思想,那么你的思想就会做你想做的事。如果你的思想做你想做的事,你会让自己什么样,喜乐还是痛苦?
Rakul: Blissful.
Rakul:喜乐。
Sadhguru: Blissful. If you're blissful, would you go in search of happiness? So, these things that people think are the greatest things in their life, to be peaceful, joyful, nonsense, wouldn't mean a thing to you because you're blissful. But you can't say that to them, they'll feel insulted. You have to...
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):喜乐。如果你是喜乐的,你还会去寻找快乐吗?那么,这些人们看作是生命中最重大的事,变得和平,喜悦,还是什么,将对你毫无意义,因为你是喜乐的。但你不能这样和他们说,不然他们会感到被羞辱了。你得……
Rakul: You have to play with tunes.
Rakul:你得和他们搭调。
Sadhguru: But essentially, if your thought and emotion was taking instructions from you, you would keep yourself in the highest level of pleasantness, whatever that is, isn't it?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):但根本上,你的思想与情感如果听你的指令,你会让自己保持在最高水平的愉悦中,不论那是什么水平,不是吗?
Rakul: Correct.
Rakul:没错。
Sadhguru: Yes. If that happened, your entire life process will come to an ease - total ease. Right now, this is because you have... you're a crouching tiger, you have to go get something always. There is nothing to get, if you sit here your life is complete. Now it's at ease, total ease. When it's in this kind of ease, it will become perceptive. Now, just pursuing a profession, making money or even being joyful or being loving or falling in love, nothing means anything to you because just sitting here, the highest level of pleasantness is happening to you. So what would you do with that life? Naturally you would explore something that is not in your perception right now. This is how spiritual process begins. This is how you take charge of your life. Now, you wish for something, it happened. I want you to know this, for most people, at least 50 percent of what they wish happens. It is just that they are focusing on a few things that did not happen. If you want to be fair, in a reasonably well settled society, 90 percent of what they wish happens. It is the ten percent they're complaining about.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):是的。如果这个发生了,你的整个生命进程都会变得自在,完全的自在。现在,这是因为你有……你像一只潜伏的老虎,你总是必须去得到些什么。没有什么好得到的,如果你坐在这里,你的生命是完整的。现在它就是自在了,完全的自在。当它处于这种自在时,它就会变得敏锐。那么,只是追求一个职业,赚钱、甚至变得喜悦、或有爱,或坠入爱河,对你来说都毫无意义,因为只是坐在这,最高层级的愉悦就发生在你身上。所以你会用那样的生命做什么?自然而然地,你会去探索一些你现在还无法感知到的事物。灵性进程就是这样开始的。你就是这样开始掌控你的人生。现在,你有所求,它如愿发生了。我要你知道这点,对大部分人来说,人们想要的至少50%都如愿发生了。只是他们专注在那一些不如意的事情上。如果你想准确一点,在一个相对安定的社会中,人们所想要的90%都发生了。他们所抱怨的是那10%。
Rakul: Yeah.
Rakul:对。
Sadhguru: Hello? Isn't it so? Ninety percent of your life is happening the way you want it. The ten percent you're cribbing, you're never enjoying the ninety percent because this ten percent did not happen the way you want it.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):哈喽?不是这样吗?你人生的90%都如你的意愿发生着。你在抱怨那10%,你永远不会享受那90%,只因为这10%没有按你的意愿发生。
Rakul: Yeah.
Rakul:是的。
Sadhguru: So already, to a large extent, you're in control of your destiny. A little is going off, but that little can bother you. Let's say, you have to drive hundred kilometers. Ninety kilometers you went properly where you want to go. At the 91st kilometer you crashed. Tch. Still it's not good, isn't it? So, that's why they're complaining. I'm not saying they're complaining for nothing. Because at 90 kilometers everything went well, just before reaching something crashed. So they still suffer for that. Now, right now this is because... Situations are happening around us. Not all situations will ever happen the way we want it because situation is not just me. Situation is so many people involved, so many forces involved. All of them need not happen my way. But if I am happening my way, I am blissful, okay? Whether the golf ball flies straight or goes into the mountains, I am still blissful.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):所以很大程度上,你已经掌控了你的命运。一小部分溜走了,但那一小部分会干扰你。比如,你要开一百公里的车。有九十公里你都顺利去到你想去的地方。在第九十一公里的时候你撞车了。啧。这仍然不好,不是吗?这就是为什么他们在抱怨。我并不是说他们在无病呻吟。因为九十公里时一切顺利,就在快到达时出了问题。所以他们依然为此苦恼。现在这是因为……情况发生在我们周围。不是所有情况都能如我们所愿。因为事件里并不是只有我。事件还包括了诸多其他人,包括了诸多因素。并非所有这些都要按照我的意愿。但如果我在按自己的意愿发生,我是喜乐的,好吗?无论高尔夫球是直飞还是飞进了山里,我仍然是喜乐的。
Rakul: As long as you are playing golf.
Rakul:只要你在打高尔夫球。
Sadhguru: Even if I am not playing.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):就算我没在打高尔夫。
Rakul: Right. So... so now coming to this, now as long as things happen your way, and you are on your own path, and you are blissful and you know...
Rakul:是的。所以……现在说到这里,只要事情按你的意愿发生,然后你在自己的路上,你是喜乐的,然后你知道……
Sadhguru: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I am not saying, as long as things happen your way, you will be blissful. If you are blissful, it doesn't matter which way it happens. Whichever way it happens, you are blissful.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):不,不,不,不我不是说只要事情按你的意愿发生,你就会喜乐。如果你是喜乐的,它如何发生就不重要了。不管它如何发生,你都是喜乐的。
Rakul: Right.
Rakul:是的。
Sadhguru: See, this is essentially, the world has put cart before the horse. You tell me, is... it is easier to take charge of yourself or it's easier to take charge of all these people?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):看,这根本上是,这个世界本末倒置了。你告诉我,是掌控你自己更容易还是掌控所有这些人更容易?
Rakul: Of... I mean it's tougher to take charge of yourself, you know?
Rakul:我的意思是掌控你自己更难,你知道吗?
Sadhguru: Oh, you can take charge of these people? Try.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):噢,你可以掌控这些人?试试看。
Rakul: No, why I am saying that is, because people don't realize that they need to take charge of themselves and are out there to take charge of societies and communities and people and trying to change others...
Rakul:不,为什么我这么说,是因为人们没有意识到他们应该掌控他们自己,却在那掌控着社会,社区和人们,并尝试改变其他人……
Sadhguru: No, right now, you are sitting here. Is it easier to take charge of yourself or take charge of all these people?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):不,此刻,你坐在这里。是掌控你自己更容易还是掌控所有这里的人?
Rakul: Myself.
Rakul:我自己。
Sadhguru: Yourself. You must first do that, no? What is simple and easy? If you take charge of yourself, let us see how much we can get cooperation from these people. Now when you say you are in pursuit of happiness, what this means is, you want all of them to function the way you want. Now when we say, "If this happens, I will be happy. If that happens, I will be happy," what it means is, the world should function, the universe should respond your way.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):你自己。你应该先做这个,不是吗?简单容易的这一个?如果你掌控了自己,我们再来看看可以和这些人们合作到什么程度。现在当你说你正在追求快乐,这意味着你想让他们所有人按你的意愿行事。当我们说:“如果这个发生,我就会快乐。如果那个发生,我就会快乐,”这意味的是,世界应该、宇宙应该按你的方式回应你。
Rakul: That's not what I am saying. No. I... I don't believe in that because that's trying to put conditionality into everything that, you know, this is how it should function according to me. What I... what I was saying was that say... Okay, for example, a very basic example of somebody wants to be an actor or somebody wants to be a cricketer, and I am taking a very basic example of what you want to do in life and you...
Rakul:这不是我想说的。不是。我……我不相信那个,因为这是在试图给一切放上条件,你知道,我认为它应该要这样运作。我所……我所说的是……好吧,比如,一个很简单的例子,某人想成为一个演员或者某人想成为一名板球运动员,我在举一个很简单的例子,就是你想在人生中做些什么,而你……
Sadhguru: Let's say it did not happen. It did not happen means what? People did not like your acting or the selectors did not like your cricket, something happened. So what you want did not happen. Can you sill... still sit here blissfully? That's a question.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):假如说这没有发生。这没有发生意味着什么?人们不喜欢你的表演或者选拔者不喜欢你的板球,发生了一些事。所以你想要的没有发生。你还可以喜乐地坐在这里吗?这是个疑问。
Rakul: Not a lot of people can.
Rakul:不是很多人都能做到。
Sadhguru: That is why I am saying. What you are trying to do is, when you say, "Everybody should like what I am doing," in some way you have to take charge of their minds, that's what you are doing. Tch, in some way through your cinema or whatever, in some way you are taking ch... charge of their mind and doing what appeals to them, and that's why it's working, isn't it? Otherwise, it won't be working.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):这就是为什么我在说这些。你想尝试去做的是,当你说,“所有人都该喜欢我所做的,”则以某种方式,你必须掌控他们的思想,这就是你正在做的事情。啧,以某种方式,透过你的电影或其他什么,以某种方式,你是在……掌控他们的头脑并做他们喜欢的事,这就是为什么它奏效,不是吗?否则,它不会起作用。
Rakul: Right.
Rakul:是的。
Sadhguru: So, which is easier, taking charge of this or taking charge of them? This. If you take charge of this, now you are not in pursuit of your happiness, you are not tense about anything, there is no pro... you know, sword hanging on your head. You will do everything to the fullest, to the hilt because you don't care what happens. Whatever happens, you will be still fine, this much you know. Now you will naturally do everything wonderfully well because there is absolutely no concern because you are not a vested interest anymore. You will do what is needed without any effort. So, what somebody thinks is a great circus and a feat, you will do it joyfully, playfully.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):所以,哪一个更简单?掌控这个还是掌控他们?这个。如果你掌控了这个,现在你就不是在追求你的快乐,你对任何事都不紧张,没有……你知道,没有剑悬在你的头顶。你会把一切事情做得尽善尽美,因为你不在乎会发生什么。无论发生什么,你都会很好,你知道这一点。现在你自然会把每件事都做得非常好,因为完全没有了顾虑,因为你不再有既得利益。你会毫不费力地做需要的事。因此,别人认为是一出大戏和壮举的事情,你会快乐地、嬉戏地去做。
Rakul: Right, right. So, well you just completely negated the fact that there is no law of attraction, there is nothing like that.
Rakul:对,对。所以,你刚才完全否认了吸引力法则,没有这种东西。
Sadhguru: There is, I am sure lot of people are attracted to you.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):这是有的,我确定很多人都被你吸引了。
Rakul: Not that law of attraction, of... of... of... the universe gives you what you want. But anyways...
Rakul:不是那个吸引力法则,是说……宇宙给你你所想要的。但无论如何……
Sadhguru: No, where is the universe, I am asking?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):不,宇宙在哪里,我问问?
Rakul: Right, we are a part of the universe.
Rakul:对,我们是宇宙的一部分。
Sadhguru: When Adiyogi was asked by the seven sages, who are today known as the Saptarishis, they asked, "Where does the universe begin? Where does it end? How big is it? What is it?" So, he laughed and said, "I can pack your entire cosmos into a mustard seed." That's a very efficient packing, isn't it?
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):当Adiyogy被七圣贤问到——就是今天人们熟知的Saptarishis(七圣贤),他们问道:“宇宙从哪里开始?它在哪里结束?它有多大?它是什么?”于是,他笑了然后说:“我可以把你的整个宇宙装进一颗芥菜籽里。”这是一个很高效的封装,不是吗?
Rakul: Very, very.
Rakul:非常、非常高效。
Sadhguru: So, because what you think is time and space is because of the nature of your mind, what is there... If you transcend the limitations of your own logical mind, what is there is here, what is here is there, what is then is now, what is now is then. Everything, time and space gets all mixed up in your perception.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):所以,你所认为的时间和空间只是因为你头脑的本质,在那里的……如果你超越了自己逻辑思维的局限,彼处即是此处,此处即是彼处,彼时即是此时,此时即是彼时。一切,时间和空间在你的感知里都混合在了一起。
Rakul: Right.
Rakul:是的。
Sadhguru: So, when this happens, now you won't be talking to the universe. Those who are not on talking terms with their neighbors, talk to the universe.
Sadhguru(萨古鲁):所以,当这个发生时,现在你不会再和宇宙交谈。那些与邻居无法交谈的人,才与宇宙交谈。
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