萨古鲁谈拉玛那尊者的“我是谁”

文摘   2024-11-09 21:37   江苏  


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What do you do when you burn with the question “Who am I?” Sadhguru answers.

当你被“我是谁”这个问题所困扰时,你怎么做?萨古鲁的回答。


Shoropratum Mukherjee: Pranam Sadhguru,  I am from West Bengal, my name is Shoropratum Mukherjee. I have been following you for last three months…

Shoropratum Mukherjee: Pranam萨古鲁,我来自西孟加拉邦,我的名字叫 Shoropratum Mukherjee。在过去的三个月里,我一直关注您……


Sadhguru: Was that a warning (Laughter)?

Sadhguru(萨古鲁):那是一个警告吗(笑声)?


Shoropratum Mukherjee: No, no, why, why sir? I have been following you for last few months and I have been watching your videos and literally I can say that I am your fan. But I have one question that I have noticed that you have said that whatever we accumulate in our life, like our salary, our reputation, our wealth, our body fat also – it’s all… we can say that it’s mine, but it’s not me. You say and I have seen this and it’s extremely logical, sure I can say that the house is mine but that’s not me, I can say that the body is mine but that’s not me. Then what is me? Then what is me? if I release whatever I earned, if I release whatever? (Applause) then what is me? What is my existence? That’s what I want to know.

Shoropratum Mukherjee:不,不,为什么,为什么,先生?我已经关注您几个月了,一直在看您的视频,可以说我是您的粉丝。但我有一个问题,我注意到您说过,无论我们在生活中积累了什么,比如我们的薪水、名誉、财富,还有我们的身体脂肪——那都是……我们可以说那是我的,但那不是我。您这么说,并且我也看到了这一点,它是极其合乎逻辑的,当然,我可以说这房子是我的,但房子不是我,我可以说这身体是我的,但身体不是我。那什么是我?那什么是我?如果我放下了我所赚到的一切,如果我放下了一切?(掌声)那什么是我?我的存在是什么?这就是我想知道的。


Sadhguru: Oh, why are you asking me, hmm (Laughter)? Please sit down. Well, what is you? (Few laugh)? Right now what you think is me is just a bundle of thoughts, emotions, ide-as, prejudices, philosophies, ideologies – a hotchpotch of many things that you picked up. You’re a scrapbook, tch, this doesn’t sound good. No, you are a cocktail (Laughter). Shall we upgrade him a little more?

Sadhguru(萨古鲁):哦,你为什么问我,嗯?(笑声)请坐。那么,什么是你?(少部分人笑)现在,你所认为的我只是一堆思想、情感、想法、偏见、哲学、意识形态——是你捡来的许多东西的大杂烩。你是个剪贴簿,啧,这听起来不太好。不,你是一杯鸡尾酒。(笑声)我们要不要再给他升级一点?


Questioner: Upgrade him.

提问者:给他升级。


Sadhguru: You are a bouquet of flowers (Laughter). All right? So what is you? This happened at the Cincinnati airport in Ohio, United States, people had lined up to check in at the airline ticket booth. One man just skipped the line and came straight in the front and thrust his ticket. The lady at the counter, she said, “Sir there is a line.” He said, “No, no, I am in a hurry.” She said, “Everybody’s in a hurry, you are on the same plane, (Laughs) please stand in the line.” Then he said, “Do you know who I am?” She looked at him, promptly picked up the microphone and said, “There is a man here who does not know who he is, can somebody help him (Laughter)?”

Sadhguru(萨古鲁):你是一束鲜花(笑声)。好吗?那么什么是你?这件事发生在美国俄亥俄州辛辛那提机场,人们在航空公司办票柜台排队办理登机手续。一名男子不排队,径直走到前面,猛地递上他的机票。柜台的女士她说:“先生,这里需要排队。”他说:“不,不,我很着急。”她说:“所有人都很着急,你们都坐同一架飞机,(笑)请排队。”然后他说:“你知道我是谁吗?”她看着他,迅速拿起麦克风说道:“这里有一个人,不知道自己是谁,有人可以帮帮他吗?”(笑声)


So, who am I? is not a question that you ask somebody. It’s a question that you ask yourself. Make it more and more profound (Applause). If… If you had stood up… this is like a… what you are asking is like a morning prayer, you know? How people pray. If you go and learn one mantra umm, umm, umm your child is doing aye chuhuuu! (Makes funny sounds) and phone also you can attend in between these days (Laughter). Even in the temple, priest is attending the phone in between (Laughter)… all this.

所以,“我是谁?”不是一个你问别人的问题,而是一个你要问自己的问题。让它越来越深刻。(掌声)如果……如果你站起来时……这就像……你问得就像晨祷,你知道吗?人们如何祈祷。你去umm,umm,umm,你的孩子过来捣乱,你aye chuhuuu!(发出赶走的声音)如今你还可以在祈祷期间接听电话。(笑声)甚至在寺庙,祭司也中途接电话……所有这一切。


This happened closer to Christmas, a lady in Minnesota was praying. She was overheard by the neighbors. She was praying, “Dear god, please this time, last time that old fool Santa Clause came and he mistook my prayers, what I want is a thin slim body and a fat bank balance, last time he mistook this (Laughter).” Why I am saying this is, you please look at all the prayers on the planet, “Dear god give me this, give me that, save me, protect me.” Does it look like something divine or does it look like simple survival? Survival outsourced (Laughter)! To survive on this planet you just need four limbs and a few brain cells which work (Few laugh)

这件事发生在临近圣诞节的时侯,明尼苏达州的一位女士正在祈祷。她的祈祷被邻居听到了。她祈祷:“亲爱的上帝,拜托这一次,上一次那个傻瓜圣诞老人来了,他误解了我的祈祷。我想要的是苗条的身材和丰厚的银行存款,上次他搞混了。”(笑声)我说这些是因为,请你们看看这个星球上所有的祈祷,“亲爱的上帝给我这个,给我那个,拯救我,保护我。”它看起来像是神圣的东西还是看起来像简单的生存?生存外包了(笑声)!要在这个地球上生存你只需要四肢和一点能工作的脑细胞。(少数人笑)


So right now, “Sadhguru, all that is okay but I want to know who I am!” This whole 'who am I' business became very popular because of Ramana Maharishi, you know? You heard of Ramana Maharishi? He’s not a Bengali (Laughter). So, Ramana said “Who am I?” and sat down there. People today think they don’t have to do anything, if they once in a way ask somebody “Who am I,” they think they are being spiritual.

所以现在,“萨古鲁,那些都好,但我想知道我是谁!”整个“我是谁”这件事因为Ramana Maharishi而变得非常流行,你们知道吗?你们听说过Ramana Maharishi吗?他不是孟加拉人(笑声)。那么,Ramana说:“我是谁?”并坐在那里。如今人们认为他们不需要做任何事情,如果他们偶尔问问某个人“我是谁,”他们就认为他们是有灵性的。


I was teaching a program in Los Angeles. There are bunch of people, about hundred-and-fifty people, all prominent people, many of them from the Hollywood crowd and a whole lot of young women were looking similar. They are not sisters, they have the same doctor (Laughter). And…(Applause) and then one of them says, “Sadhguru…” I am just teaching them a simple twenty-one minute practice. Why? To turn you inward because you are asking this question out, you will not find anything. If I tell you are an Aatman, parmatman, nonsense, where does it take you? Just more vocabulary (Few laugh).

我曾在洛杉矶教授一个课程。有一群人,大约有一百五十个人,都是名人,许多人来自好莱坞,很多年轻女性看起来很相像。她们不是姐妹,她们有同一个医生。(笑声)然后……(掌声)然后其中一个说:“萨古鲁……”我只是教她们一个简单的二十一分钟的练习。为什么?为了让你转向内在。因为你提出这个问题,你将一无所获。如果我告诉你,你是个Aatman、Parmatman、这个那个,对你有什么用?只是更多的词汇。(少部分人笑)


See if I tell you you are a soul, you are a divine entity, you are Aatman, you are Parmatman, you didn’t get anywhere. You just got more nonsensical vocabulary. That’s all you got! So I said “We are teaching you a simple process, twenty-one minutes how to turn inward.” “But you are telling us all this twenty-one minutes we have to do all this but Ramana Maharishi said you don’t have to do anything.” Tch, (Laughs) I said, “Whoa, whoa, Ramana got to Los Angeles?”

看,如果我告诉你,你是一个灵魂,你是一个神圣的存在,你是Aatman,你是Parmatman,你什么也没得到。你只是获得了更多无意义的词汇。仅此而已!所以我说:“我们教你一个简单的过程,二十一分钟,如何转向内在。”“但是你告诉我们这二十一分钟我们必须做这一切,但Ramana Maharishi说你不需要做任何事。”啧,(笑)我说:“哇哦,哇哦,Ramana到过洛杉矶吗?”


But Ramana did nothing, that’s a fact. He simply sat like that (Gestures) cross-legged. Simply, doing nothing, absolutely. Rodents came and bit and ate his flesh, it festered, wounds became worm infected, he simply sat doing nothing. If you can do that kind of doing nothing, immediately there is an answer, all right? But now in California they are made like this, if a mosquito bites they will call 911 (Laughter). Yes that’s how it is. In this state you don’t ask.

但是Ramana什么也没做,这是一个事实。他只是这样(姿势)简单地盘腿而坐。只是这样,什么都不做,绝对地。啮齿动物来咬他并吃他的肉,肉溃烂了,伤口被虫感染了,他只是坐着什么都不做。如果你能做到那种什么都不做,立刻就会有答案,好吗?但现在在加利福尼亚州,他们是这样的:如果被蚊子咬了,他们就会拨打911。(笑声)是的,就是这样。在这种状态下,你不要问。


So right now if… this is an existential question, this is not a small question. You don’t know who you are, is it a small problem? Hmm? It is a fundamental problem, isn't it? And you are getting up and introducing yourself, where you… Bengal you’ve come from and everything and now you are asking the question, the question has not matured yet. If you stood up and you could not ask question and tears came to you, I would have answered this question completely differently. But now it’s a joke so I am joking with you. Is that okay? Hmm?

所以现在,如果……这是一个有关存在的问题,这不是一个小问题。你不知道自己是谁,这是一个小问题吗?嗯?这是一个根本性的问题,不是吗?而你站起来介绍自己,你来自……来自孟加拉邦等等,然后现在你问这个问题,这个问题还没有成熟。如果你站起来时无法提出问题,眼泪夺眶而出,那么我会对这个问题作出完全不同的回答。但现在这是一个玩笑,所以我在和你开玩笑。可以吗?嗯?


Question is there, it’s a good thing the question is there but the question needs sharpness to penetrate. It still doesn’t have enough intensity that it can penetrate something. It’s right now a casual question. So right now I can tell you something, who you are but it’s not in your experience. If I tell you something which is not in your experience, what can you do? You can believe it or you can disbelieve it. If you believe it you are not any closer to it, if you disbelieve it you are not any closer to it. If you believe me you can go and tell some fancy positive story. If you disbelieve me, you can go and tell some negative story about me. But you have not moved an inch, isn't it? So if you genuinely, if this question is burning within you, if tonight if this question bothers you so much you cannot sleep, you cannot sit, you cannot stand, if it bothers you like that, then you come, I’ll give you something else. Something totally different (Applause).

问题在那里,有问题是件好事,但问题需要尖锐才能穿透。它仍然没有足够的强度使它能穿透某些东西。目前,这是一个随意的问题。所以,我现在可以告诉你些东西,你是谁,但这不在你的体验之中。如果我告诉你一些不在你体验之中的事,你可以做什么?你可以相信它,也可以不相信它。如果你相信它,你没有离它更近,如果你不相信它,你也不会离它更近。如果你相信我,你可以去讲一些精彩的正面的故事。如果你不相信我,你可以去讲一些关于我的负面故事。但你却没有移动一寸,不是吗?所以,如果你真正地,如果这个问题在你的内心燃烧,如果今晚,如果这个问题让你如此困扰,以致你无法入睡,你坐立难安,如果它这样困扰你,那么你来,我会给你一些别的东西。一些完全不同的东西。(掌声)


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