如何从平凡到超凡丨Suhel Seth 对话萨古鲁

Sadhguru looks at how spirituality is not about becoming special, it is about becoming extra-ordinary, or more ordinary than ordinary!

萨古鲁探讨了灵性不是关于变得特别，而是关于变得“超凡”（超级平凡），或者说，比平凡更平凡！

Pinky Bhardwaj: Good evening Sadhguru, my name is Pinky Bhardwaj, and I wanted to ask you, what is the definition of self-actualization, according to you, and can a normal human being like us, can ever attain to that stage?

Pinky Bhardwaj：晚上好，萨古鲁，我叫Pinky Bhardwaj，我想问您，在您看来，自我实现的定义是什么，像我们这样的普通人能不能达到这个阶段？

Sadhguru: I must tell her, when we first, you know, started teaching this Inner Engineering programs, the… the brochure – a little brochure we used to have – used to say, “From ordinary to extra-ordinary” (Few laugh). So people come, it used to be a fourteen evening program – and after second day, they come and say, “Sadhguru, nothing special is happening to me” (Laughter). I said, “I never said something special will happen to you.” “But you said, ‘From ordinary to extra-ordinary’?” “Yes, I said, you will become more ordinary than others (Laughter/Applause).”

Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：我得告诉她，当我们第一次开始教内在工程课程时，有个小册子，我们当时有一个小册子，上面写着，“从普通到超凡”。所以人们来上课了，当时那是个14天的课程。在两天后，他们来说：“萨古鲁，我身上没有发生什么特别的事情”。（笑声）我说：“我从来没说过会有什么特别的事情发生在你身上。”“但你说过，‘从平凡到超凡’？”“是的，我说的是你会变得比别人更平凡（超级平凡）。”（笑声/掌声）

Because (Laughs)… Because the biggest disease on the planet is, people want to be special. If you just come to terms to simply be ordinary, as you are, in a way, you’ve already taken a huge spiritual step. Okay? That you have come to terms with the nature of your creation. This itself is a huge step. This is not about saying, “Okay, all my freaky nature is fine!” That’s not it. That you’re just ordinary, you’re not trying to be special. Being special means you’re trying to be one up on somebody all the time, which has been taught to you from kindergarten, “Are you first or second, what?” From day one. Nonsense!

因为……因为这个星球上最大的毛病是，人们想要变得特别。如果你接受了自己原本的状态——一个普通的人，在某种程度上，你已经迈出了灵性上的一大步，好吗？你已经接受了你的创造的本质，这本身就是巨大的一步。这并不是说，“好吧，我的各种怪异特点都很好！”不是这个意思。而是你只是普通人，没想着变得特别。变得特别意味着你试图一直高别人一等，这是从幼儿园就开始教你的，“你是第一还是第二？”从小就开始了，荒谬！

See, when you want to be number one, which is a most special place that people are looking for, what it means is, you somewhere enjoy other people’s inabilities and sufferings. It’s not about you blossoming into a full-fledged life, it is about being one up on somebody all the time. But this is not the nature of life. This is the nature of a poor intellect, a very poor intellect, which desperately wants to prove it is special.

要知道，当你想成为第一，这是人们都在追求的一个最特别的位置，这意味着，你在一定程度上享受其他人的无能和痛苦。这无关于你绽放成为一个完全成熟的生命，而是在于一直高人一等。但这不是生命的本质，这是糟糕的智力的本质——非常糟糕的智力拼命地想证明自己的特别。

But the nature of life is like this - whether it’s an earthworm, or a… a grasshopper, or a plant, or a tree, or anything, if you observe any life, all this life is striving for is to become a full-fledged life. This is all the striving for the human being also, to become a full-fledged life, inå all dimensions. But the only problem with the human being is, we know… clearly know what is a full-fledged earthworm, or a grasshopper, but we do not know what is a full-fledged human being. This is a problem, because nature has drawn two lines for every other creature, within which they live and die, but for the human being, there is only bottom line, and there is no top line, and that’s what human beings are suffering.

但生命的本质是这样的：无论是蚯蚓、蚱蜢、植物、树木、或者任何东西，如果你观察任何生命，这个生命只是在努力成为一个完全成熟的生命。这也是人类唯一的追求，在所有维度上成为一个完全成熟的生命。但人类的唯一问题是……我们知道、清楚地知道什么是完全成熟的蚯蚓或蚱蜢，但我们不知道什么是完全成熟的人类。这是一个问题，因为自然为所有其他生物都画了两条线，它们在这之间活着与死去，但对人类来说，只有底线没有顶线，而这点正折磨着人类。

They are not suffering their bondages. They are suffering their freedom. This is a serious problem. In how many ways, you are trying to create bondages for yourself, see every day, because you want something to bind you, where you feel like you belong to something, otherwise, what is this? In the middle of nowhere, I want you to just imagine, in this cosmos, you don’t know where this goddamn solar system is, how the hell the everything is held together, one simplistic story you can believe, okay, God is sitting there, and rolling all these things. But that is… Even a kindergarten child won’t buy it in another ten, fifteen years, believe me (Few laugh). Yes. In another fifteen, twenty years, you will see, a five year old child will not buy this stuff.

人们不是被束缚所折磨，他们被自由折磨着，这是一个严重的问题。看看每一天中，你用了多少方式来给自己制造束缚。你想要一些东西来束缚你，因为这样你会觉得归属于其中，否则是怎么回事呢？在苍茫之中，我要你想象一下，在这个宇宙中，你不知道这个太阳系在哪里，到底一切是怎么结合在一起的。你可以相信一个简单的故事，好吧，神就坐在那里，推动着这一切。但那是……就连幼儿园的孩子再过10年、15年也不会信这个了，相信我。是的，再过15年、20年，你会看到五岁的孩子也不会信这套了。

So self-actualization, how do you know there is a self? Assumption, again, isn’t it? See beliefs are like this, we can make you believe anything, if we work hard enough on you, from the day you’re born. These beliefs have come with all kinds of conclusions. So first and foremost thing is debrief yourself. Debrief yourself of culture, of religion, enjoy the culture. Culture is the color that we wear. You enjoy the culture, but culture is not an effective tool for search of truth, because what mess we do today, is tomorrow’s culture, that means what mess they did yesterday, is today’s culture. You think it is properly thought out? Everybody is doing their own stuff, and that’ll become tomorrow’s culture, isn’t it?

那么“自我实现”……你怎么知道有一个“自我”？又是假设，不是吗？看吧，信念就是这样，我们可以让你相信任何东西，只要我们从你出生那天起就在你身上下足功夫。伴随这些信念的是各种各样的结论。所以首要的事情是清理自己，清理自己的文化和宗教。享受文化，文化是我们的色彩。你尽可享受文化，但文化不是探寻真实的有效工具，因为我们今天所做的乱七八糟的事，就是明天的文化，这意味着他们昨天所做的乱七八糟的事，就是今天的文化。你以为文化是好好想透了的产物吗？每个人都做着自己的事情，而这将成为明天的文化，不是吗？

The same way it’s happened in the past, don’t think in the past, everything was sacred and everything was wonderful, no. They were also confused, they did whatever they did, and that’s our culture. Let’s enjoy the culture, let’s wear our culture, let’s preserve our culture, let’s nourish our culture, but that is not a tool for search of truth. For that, you have to debrief yourself completely. Then, if you debrief yourself completely, you don’t know whether there is self or not. So how do you actualize a damn thing, that you don’t know whether it exists or not. So search becomes real. Seeking becomes genuine.

过去也是这样，不要以为过去的一切都很神圣，一切都很美好，不是的。他们也很糊涂，他们做了他们的事，而那就是我们的文化。让我们享受文化，让我们穿戴我们的文化，让我们维系我们的文化，让我们滋养我们的文化。但文化不是寻找真实的工具。为了真实，你必须彻底地清理自己。那么，如果你清理彻底了，你就不知道是否有“自我”的存在。那你要如何实现一个你都不知道是否存在的东西呢？这样寻找才真实，探求才真诚。

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