Sadhguru talks about the difference between understanding and experiencing something, and the need for a longing in order to transcend the present dimension of one’s existence.
萨古鲁谈到了理解和体验的区别，以及超越个人现在存在的维度需要渴望。
Questioner: How can we understand what we are beyond our body? Is there a step-by-step way to go about it?
提问者：我们如何才能理解超越身体的我们是什么？有没有步骤可以照做？
Sadhguru: Who wants to understand? (Few Laugh) What do you want to understand?
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：谁想要理解？（一些笑声）你想要理解什么？
Questioner: What I am along with my body, I want to experience it.
提问者：带着身体的我究竟是什么，我想要体验它。
Sadhguru: Oh now you are changing the track, you are like, which party are you? No, you are changing your position too often that’s why I am asking. See initially you said you want to understand; now you say you want to experience.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：噢！现在你又换方向了，你到底是哪一边的？不，你一直在变，这就是为什么我要问你。看，一开始你说你想要理解，现在你又说你想要体验。
Questioner: I want to understand to experience it. (Laughter)
提问者： 我想要理解，是为了去体验它。（笑声）
Sadhguru: You want to understand to experience it. If you experience it you will have no need to understand it, isn’t it? If you eat something, you experience that, do you understand that?
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：你想要理解，为了去体验它。如果你体验它，你就不需要去理解它，难道不是吗？如果你吃东西，你会体验它，但你理解它吗？
Questioner: No.
提问者：不理解。
Sadhguru: You don’t care, you experienced it. Only if you want to manufacture this - you eat a rasagulla, you experience it, it’s nice. Now you want to start a rasagulla factory, now you want to understand everything about rasagulla. If you want to just enjoy the rasagulla, you don’t have to understand anything, you just have to have a sensitive tongue, yes? If you take rasagulla and keep it in your hand, ‘I want to understand this, I want to understand this…’ (Few Laugh) hand cannot taste rasagulla. (Few Laugh) If you put it upon your tongue only you experience rasagulla. So, these are two different aspects, experience will transform your life, understanding comes in only if you want to transform others’ lives.
Sadhguru（萨古鲁）：你不会在乎，你只是体验它。除非你想要制造它——你吃一个rasagulla（一种印度甜品），你体验它，它很美味。现在你要开一家rasagulla工厂，那你就要去理解关于rasagulla的一切了。如果你只是想享用rasagulla，你不需要去理解任何东西。你只需要有敏感的舌头，对吗？如果你拿起一个rasagulla然后放在手里，“我要理解它，我要理解它……”（一些笑声) 手不能品尝rasagulla。（一些笑声）只有当你把它放到舌头上时，你才能体验它。所以，这是两个不同的方面，体验可以转化你的生命，只有当你想要转化别人的生命时才会用到“理解”。
So understanding later, right now you want to experience, there are methods and methods and methods to do this. How? You are asking, let’s not go into how, how badly do you want it, that’s the question because what you are asking is, I want to transcend the dimension, the present dimension of my existence. No transcendence will happen unless…nobody will cross any dimensional limitations unless you’re truly, truly, longing for it. Yes? You won't even pass a tenth standard examination if there isn't a reasonable amount of longing, isn’t it? Yes or no? You won't transcend from school to college if you do not have a certain level of longing. From college to your masters you will not transcend unless you have a little bigger longing, from masters to a PhD you will not transcend unless you have a much bigger longing, isn’t it? So to transcend from one dimension to another you need a certain level of longing.
所以，以后再理解吧，现在你想要体验，有很多很多很多种方式去做这个。你在问的是：要怎么做？先别去想怎么做。你有多么急迫地想要体验它，这才是问题所在。因为，你在问的是：我想要超越那个维度，那个我现在存在的维度。没有超越会发生，除非……没有人可以超越维度的局限，除非你真的非常非常地渴望它，对吗？你甚至不能通过十年级的考试，如果没有适当程度的渴望，难道不是吗？是不是？你不能毕业进入大学，如果你没有一定的渴望。你不会从大学本科到研究生，除非你有更多一点的渴望，你不会从研究生到博士，除非你有更大的渴望，不是吗？所以从一个维度超越至另一个，你需要一定程度的渴望。
So I am asking you how badly do you want it. See this is the problem with me, I am not simply saying, ‘Don’t worry, you just say Ram, Ram twenty five times a day (Laughter) it will happen,’ this is the problem with me because I am not here to solace you and let you sleep tonight, I am here to awaken you in such a way that you can't sleep. (Laughter) You can't go to sleep till you ‘till I know this I can't sleep’ if you become like that you will know today. If you can ask this question and go home, eat well and sleep, we don’t know when it will happen. Not because it’s far away, not because it’s difficult, because there is not enough longing, not enough fire in the belly, so you don’t move. This is so with everything in life.
所以我问你：你有多么想要超越？看，这就是我的问题，我不会简单地说：“别担心，你只要每天念25次Ram Ram（笑声），它就会发生。”这是我的问题——因为我不是来这里宽慰你，并且让你睡个好觉的，我是来这里用某种途径叫醒你，让你无法入睡的。（笑声）你没法入睡，直到你……“在没了解这个之前，我睡不着”如果你变成那样，那你今天就会知道。如果你问完这个问题，回家，吃饱了然后睡觉，我们不知道它何时会发生。不是因为它很遥远，不是因为它有难度，而是因为没有足够的渴望，体内没有足够的火，所以你不会动。生命中的一切事情都是如此。
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