问：你谈了很多关于爱、关系、结合等等。在道与潭崔之间有融合吗？
答：
潭崔意味着技巧——道与技巧没有任何关系。
道是没有方法、没有技巧的。道意味着自发，自发性怎么会有技巧呢？
你无法实践它，如果你去实践你会错过。没有办法培养它，一个培养出来的自发性可能是其它任何东西，但不会是自发性。
道意味着放手。你的能量去哪里就允许它去哪里。不游泳——与河流一起流动。
游泳是一个技巧——如果你只是与河流一起流动还需要什么技巧呢？技巧意味着你有一个方向，你想到达哪里。技巧意味着你想把自己的意志强加到实相上，你想成为某个人物，抵达某个地方，某种状态。你有一个欲望，一个投射。
道说你已经在那里了，已经是那个了。没有哪里要去，没有什么要成为，只是放松让事情发生。不管发生什么都是好的——因为道没有否定，没有拒绝，没有压抑。那是可能的最大的叛逆。从来没有哪种人类的智慧比道更高，但没有路途抵达它，你无法获得指导。
佛佗曾谈过抵达真理的五种途径。第一种他称之为SHEELA，道德、品格、美德之路；第二种他称之为知识；第三种他称之为DHYANA，静心；第四种他称之为奉献；第五种他称之为ASHEKSHA——无法被教导的。
第五种就是道，它无法被教导。它可以学但无法被教导。当我说它可以学，我的意思是如果你放松如果你允许生命发生于你，如果你不制造障碍，如果你准备去它带你去的任何地方，你就能学到它。这是最危险的路径，因为它不在你的掌控之中。你必须一个片刻一个片刻地活——像树一样活，像星星一样活，像山川一样活。你必须以这样的方式活，自然的方式。道法自然。
所以印度的潭崔与道没有任何融合。印度的潭崔是非常科学的，它是如何将性能量转化为灵性能量的科学，如何创造一个发电机来改变、蜕变、升华能量，如何从低处移向高处，如何从大地去向天空。它是一条从性到超意识的路，是非常有技巧的。
道没有技巧——这是第一件要了解的事。还有另外一件事无比重要——那就是，道有它自己的潭崔，但它不是一种技巧。
在印度潭崔与中国的道之间没有融合，没有相遇的可能。
它们相去甚远，两个极点，不可能交叉。如果有人试图将它们混为一谈，道会被摧毁，潭崔不会。永远记住，每当你把一个高点与一个低点混合在一起，高的会被摧毁而不是低的。总是更高的那个被毁掉，因为更高的那个是纤弱的，是非常非常脆弱易碎的，就像一朵花。如果你用石头砸一朵花，石头不会被摧毁。石头甚至可能不知道发生了碰撞，但花朵会消失——被碾压，摧毁。道是最高的可能性，潭崔会摧毁它，所以记住，不要将它们混为一谈。
但是道有它自己的潭崔，因为道是一个完整的世界观。它拥有一切可能，它就是整体。所以一定有爱，有性。
道之潭崔是什么？我必须使用“潭崔”这个词，记住，但它不是印度的用法。
道之潭崔是什么？它是性的自发性，是道的自发性。
比如，如果你读潭崔手册，印度的潭崔手册，里面有非常繁琐的仪式。每一步都有非常清晰的说明。实践印度潭崔并不容易——你必须是个内行。不要愚弄自己，不要以为你和一个女人做爱就是在实践潭崔。印度潭崔是很难的，它是一个漫长的过程，练习它需要很多年。
其中最艰巨的练习和最难的问题在于只有当男人失去了对女人的全部欲望潭崔才允许他与一个女人做爱。根本没有性吸引，那就是整个过程。对你来说女人几乎变成一个母亲或姐妹或是你的女神，她必须被崇拜。在潭崔的仪式里，女人必须像一个女神一样被崇拜。人必须练习那个崇拜好几个月。
女人赤身裸体坐在你面前，坐在一个宝座上，你崇拜她，向她鞠躬，对她祈祷，在意识的最深处创造一个想法，她只是所有女性的一个代表，所有母性的一个代表，她是一个女神。
一天又一天，慢慢地，你对她失去了所有性的兴趣。你被自己的想法自我催眠。当你对她的身体失去全部性趣的那一天，你可以仔细地看她，详细地看她的身体，再也没有兴奋。她的身体甚至根本就不可见，她变成了光，她只是一个能量的临在，只有这样师父才会允许你与她做爱。现在爱会有一种完全不同的品质，性没有涉入其中，欲望没有涉入其中，肉体没有涉入其中。那绝对是灵性的——两个灵魂的相遇。
但那是一个漫长的过程。很多仪式，很多祈祷，很多YANTRA，很多静心都是需要的。
几年的训练之后你会来到一个点，女人对你来说已经不再是一个女人，她几乎变成一个母亲——“母性”出现了。你将那个母性投射到她身上。你看到她的乳房但不会再激起任何内心的性欲，只有一个母亲的感觉。你看到她的身体会开始感觉到你是她身体的一部分，就像你是你的母亲的一部分。那是一个重新再造的母亲，这是一个漫长的过程。潭崔非常讲程序，讲仪式，那是一个伟大的催眠实验，自我催眠。
它是一个超脱性的想法的伟大实验。它根本就不像通常误解的那样，根本就不是性。那是一种完全不同的态度，根本就不性。那是祈祷。而当你成为一个潭崔专家与一个女人做爱，那是师父的允许......它必须取决于师父的同意，而不是取决于你。当师父洞察你的眼睛，所有的性欲都消失了，你的身体变得几乎无性，他看到现在你站在女人面前就像一个小孩，没有性的意识——你是裸体的，她也是裸体的，但你们对性完全没有兴趣——当师父确认了这一点，当他给你一个指示，那么你就被允许了。那取决于师父，他必须观察，仔细地观察。那要好几个月，有时候好几年才能准备好。
道有它自己的潭崔。第一件事：道从来不会分裂成更低和更高，那就是它的美。当你将实相分为更低或更高时你就已经精神分裂了。当你说哪些神圣哪些亵渎的时候你就已经分裂了。当你说什么是物质什么是灵性的时候你就已经分裂了，你将实相撕开了。实相是一。
既没有物质也没有灵性，实相是一。它以无数种形式表达着自己：物质的层面，灵性的层面。灵性并不更高，物质也并不更低——它们处于同一层面。那就是道的态度，生命是一，存在是一。那是一种无与伦比的一体性，没有评估和定价。
在道里，第一件事就是放下二元性。性不是较低的，三摩地也不是较高的。三摩地与性是同一个能量的两种表达。对于三摩地没有什么可称颂的，对于性也没有什么可谴责的。道的接受度是全然的，绝对的。身体没有什么不对，灵性也没有什么美好——它们两者都是美的。魔鬼与上帝在道里合一，天堂与地狱在道里合一，好与坏在道里合一——这是最伟大的非二元的了解。没有谴责，没有比较。为什么要比？一体就只是放松，存在。
如果你能够发自内心地爱一个女人......事实上，道会说潭崔是一种错误的态度，因为你必须要准备，准备意味着你在为未来铺路。道只知道一种时间——那就是现在；道只知道一种空间——那就是这里。现在是唯一的时间，这里是唯一的空间。这里就是天堂，现在就是涅槃。所以，不要准备。
如果在某些时刻爱开花了，爱占有了你，与它同在。不要推河流，不要试图给它某种形式。不要将它固定在任何仪式里，只是与它同在。在深深的信任里，在深深的感恩里，与它同在。
和一个女人做爱时不要试图证明任何事——就像西方做的那样。不要试图证明任何事——因为当你试图证明，你的头脑就进入了。当你与一个女人做爱时，忘掉所有的事，你是一个男人，她是一个女人。让所有的边界都融解融合。不要保持是一个男人，否则你会错过——因为再一次二元主义会进入：你是男人，她是女人。没有人知道为什么两个人会做爱，很多次它的发生是因为男人变成了女人，女人变成了男人。谁在乎谁是谁？
如果你去思考它，那么头脑就还在那，头脑就是障碍，它不允许结合完全地发生。所以道只是说：自发地进行，没有仪式，没有要证明的想法。记住，永远不要为了任何事利用性。潭崔利用它作为一个通往三摩地的阶梯。道说：永远不要利用任何东西当作一个工具，一切都是它自己的目的。当你开始想要去哪，要达成什么，要实现什么结果的时候，你就已经不全然了，你的头脑已经分裂了，你已经在未来了。没有工具，没有目的。一切都是它自身的目的，那就是它本来的美。
在道里，这是非常基本的。爱，吃，清晨的散步，在河里游泳，坐在太阳下，看星星——但要让一切都简单地存在，不是为了其它任何事。唱一支歌，不为任何结果。看这棵树，没有任何目的。早晨去散个步，不是为了健康！不是什么自然疗法！就是为了散步，那就很美。健康是一个副产品，你不需要担心它，它会发生的。躺在阳光下，享受它，但不是为了其它任何事，躺在那就是它本身的目的。那就是道。
在那样放松的状态里，生命开始从四面八方灌注进入你的存在。所有的门都会打开，所有的窗户都会打开。存在注入你，你流入存在。
大道至简。然而，因为我们太过复杂使它变得困难。简单的事不吸引我们。潭崔吸引了很多人，道却没那么吸引人。道吸引的是非常稀有的人。如果道吸引了你，可以确定你是幸运的。对道产生兴趣这种可能性本身就是一个无比的祝福。
当你把每一件事都转换成道的语言，它就变成了自发性。
YOU HAVE TALKED MUCH ON LOVE, RELATIONSHIPS, UNION, ETC. IS THERE A MERGING BETWEEN THE TAO AND TANTRA?
TANTRA MEANS TECHNIQUE -- and Tao can have no relationship with any technique whatsoever.
Tao is non-methodological, non-technical. Tao means spontaneity. How can spontaneity have a technique?
You cannot practise it; if you practise it you miss it. There is no way to cultivate it; a cultivated spontaneity could be anything else but it could not be spontaneity.
Tao means let go. Wherever your energy moves, allow it to move. Don't swim -- float with the river.
Swimming is a technique -- if you are just flowing with the river what technique is needed? Technique means that you have a direction, you want to reach somewhere. Technique means that you want to impose your will on reality, you want to be someone. somewhere, in some state; you have a desire, you have a projection.
Tao says you are already there, you are already that. There is nowhere to go and nothing else to be, so just relax and let things happen. And whatsoever happens is good -- because there is no denial in Tao, no rejection, no repression. It is the greatest rebellious attitude possible. Never has man's intelligence risen higher than in Tao. But there is no way to it. You cannot be guided to it.
Buddha has talked about five ways to reach truth. The first he calls the way of SHEELA, the way of morality, character, virtue. The second he calls the way of knowledge. The third he calls the way of DHYANA, meditation; the fourth he calls the way of devotion; and the fifth he calls ASHEKSHA -- that which cannot be taught.
That fifth is Tao. It cannot be taught. It can be learned but it cannot be taught. And when I say that it can be learned, I mean that if you relax, if you allow life to happen to you, if you don't create a barrier, if you are ready to go wherever it leads, you will learn it. It is the most dangerous path because you will not be in control. Your mind cannot manipulate; your mind cannot prepare in any way. You will have to live moment to moment -- as the trees live, as the stars live, as the mountains live. You will have to live in the same way, the same natural way. Tao is nature.
So the Indian Tantra cannot have any merger with Tao. The Indian Tantra is very scientific. It is the science of how to transform sexual energy into spiritual energy; how to create the dynamo that changes, transforms, transmutes energy; how to move from the lower to the higher; how to go from the earth to heaven. It is a way from sex to super-consciousness. It is very technological.
Tao has no technique -- this is the first thing to be understood. But there is another thing of great importance -- that is, Tao has its own tantra. But it is not technique.
There is no meeting possible between the Indian Tantra and the Chinese Tao, no meeting is possible.
They are far away, poles apart, and it is impossible to mix them. If somebody tries to mix them Tao will be destroyed, Tantra will not be destroyed. Always remember whenever you mix a higher standpoint with a lower, the higher is destroyed not the lower. It is always the higher that loses because the higher is delicate, the higher is very, very vulnerable, fragile, like a flower. If you crush a flower with a rock, the rock is not going to be destroyed. The rock may not even come to know that there has been a clash. But the flower will be gone -- crushed, destroyed. Tao is the highest possibility and Tantra can destroy it. So remember not to mix them.
But Tao has its own tantra because Tao is a total world view. It has everything that is possible. It is the whole. So there must be something in it for love, for sex there is.
What is Taoist tantra? I have to use the word 'tantra' remember, but I am not using it in the Indian sense.
What is Taoist tantra? It is spontaneity in sexuality; it is spontaneity in love.
For example, if you read a Tantra manual, an Indian Tantra manual, there is great ritual in it. Every step is very clearly indicated. It is not easy to practise Indian Tantra -- you will have to become adept at it. Don't fool around. Don't think that while you are making love to a woman you are practising Tantra. Tantra is difficult. It is a long process. And it takes years to get trained in it.
The greatest training that is involved and the most difficult problem that arises is that Tantra allows a man to make love to a woman only when the man has lost all sexual attraction towards the woman. There is no sexual attraction at all. That is the whole process. The woman becomes almost a mother to you or a sister to you a goddess. She has to be worshipped. In Tantra ritual the woman has to be worshipped like a goddess. And for months together one has to practise that worship.
The woman sits naked in front of you on a throne and you worship and you bow down and you pray to her and you create the idea in the deepest core of consciousness that she is just a representative of all womanhood, motherhood. She is a goddess.
Day by day, slowly, slowly, you lose all sexual interest in her. You become auto-hypnotised with your own idea. The day you lose all sexual interest in her body and you can look through and though her and her body is no longer a thrill, her body is not even seen at all, she becomes luminous, she is just a presence only then does the Master allow you to make love to her. Now love will have a totally different quality. There is no sex involved in it, no attraction involved in it, no physicality involved in it. It is absolutely spiritual -- a meeting of two souls.
But it is a long process. Many rituals, many prayers, many YANTRAS, many meditations are needed.
After years of training you come to the point where the woman is no longer a woman to you, she has almost become a mother -- 'motherhoodness' has arisen. You have projected that motherhoodness on her. You see her breasts but they no longer provoke any sexuality in you, only the idea of a mother. You see her body and you start feeling that you are part of her body just as you were part of your mother. It is recreating the mother. And it is a long process. Tantra is very procedural, ritualistic, and a great experiment in hypnosis, auto-hypnosis.
And it is a great experiment in getting rid of the idea of sex. It is not sexual at all, as is commonly misunderstood. It is a totally different attitude not sexual at all. It is very prayerful. And when you make love to a woman after you have become an adept in Tantra and the Master has allowed you.... It has to depend on the Master's agreement, it does not depend on you. When the Master sees in your eyes that all sex has disappeared, that your body has become almost asexual, he sees that now you are standing before the woman as a small child, unaware of sexuality -- you are naked, she is naked but you are not at all interested in sexuality -- when the Master confirms it, when he gives you a signal, then you are allowed. It depends on the Master. He has to watch, watch carefully. It takes months, sometimes years, to prepare for it.
Tao has its own tantra. The first thing: Tao never divides into the lower and the higher, that is the beauty of it. The moment you divide reality into the lower and the higher you are getting schizophrenic. The moment you say something is sacred and something is profane you have divided. The moment you say something is material and something is spiritual you have divided, you have split reality. Reality is one.
There is neither matter nor spirit. Reality is one. It expresses itself in many forms: on one level as matter, on another level as spiritual. The spiritual is not higher and the material is not lower -- they stand on the same level. That is the Taoist attitude. Life is one. Existence is one. It is a tremendous oneness and there is no evaluation.
The first thing in Tao is to drop duality. Sex is not lower and samadhi is not higher. Samadhi and sex are both expressions of the same energy. There is nothing laudable about samadhi and there is nothing condemnable about sex. The Tao acceptance is total, absolute. There is nothing wrong about the body and there is nothing beautiful about the spirit -- they are both beautiful. Devil and God are one in Tao, heaven and hell are one in Tao, good and bad are one in Tao -- it is the greatest non-dual understanding. There is no condemnation and no preparation. To prepare for what? One has simply to relax and be.
If you can love a woman spontaneously.... In fact, Tao will say that Tantra has a wrong attitude, because you have to prepare. Preparation means that you are preparing for the future. Tao knows only one time -- which is now; and only one place -- which is here. Now is the only time and here is the only place. Here is heaven and now is nirvana. So don't prepare.
If in some moment love flows, love takes possession of you, go with it. Don't push the river. Don't try to give it any shape. Don't try to fix it into any ritual. Just go with it. In deep trust, in deep gratitude, go with it.
While making love to a woman don't try to prove anything -- as they are trying to do in the West. Don't try to prove anything -- because when you start trying to prove, your mind has come in. While you are making love to a woman forget all about the fact that you are a man and she is a woman. Let boundaries merge and mix. Don't remain a man otherwise you will miss -- because again a dualism comes in: you are the man and she is the woman. Nobody knows why two persons really make love. Many times it happens that the man becomes the woman and the woman becomes the man. Who bothers who is who?
And if you are thinking about it then the mind is there and the mind is the barrier; it does not allow the unison to happen totally. So Tao simply says: go spontaneously, with no ritual, with no idea to prove. And remember, never use sexuality for anything. Tantra uses it as a step towards samadhi. Tao says: never use anything as a means. Everything is an end unto itself. The moment you start thinking of somewhere to go, something to reach, some result to attain out of it, you are not total, your mind is divided, you are already in the future. There are no means and no ends. Everything simply is an intrinsically beautiful end unto itself.
In Tao this is very basic. Love, eat, go for a morning walk, swim in the river, sit in the sun, watch the stars -- but let everything be simple, not for anything else. Sing a song, but not for any result. Look at this tree, but not for any result. Go for a morning walk, but not for health! Don't be a naturopath! Just go for a walk, it is beautiful. Health is a by-product; you need not worry about it, it happens. Lie down in the sun, enjoy it, but not for anything else. Lie there for its own sake. That is what Tao is.
And in that relaxed attitude life starts pouring into you from everywhere. All doors open, all windows open. Existence flows into you, you flow into existence.
Tao is very simple; therefore, because we are very complex, it is very difficult. Simple things don't appeal to us. Tantra appeals to many people but Tao has not that much appeal. Tao appeals very rarely. If Tao appeals to you, consider yourself to be fortunate. The very possibility of your getting interested in Tao is a great blessing.
When you translate everything in terms of Tao it becomes spontaneity.
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