AI音乐大行其道下，他们为何仍坚持实体创作 // 与25位音乐人对话：Less is more

我热爱现场演奏的主要原因之一，是让我有机会创造我的声音，实时的声音设计，但能够在我听到它们时改变并塑造它们，并且能够拥有实时反馈，让我沉浸在乐器之中。

One of the main reasons why I got into playing live was being able to have the opportunity to create my sounds, have that sound designing moments but being able to shift them and shape them as I'm hearing them, and being able to have that call and response with myself in the instruments.

音乐创作者与演奏者，使用电子乐器来制作音乐，通过乐器的操控来影响声音参数，并根据直觉构建音轨，能帮助他们在创作过程中实时揭示声音想法产生的复杂过程。

Создание музыки при помощи электронных инструментов, в реальном времени является комплексным процессом при котором композитор раскрывает звуковую идею, воздействия на параметры звука посредством инструмента и выстраивает аудио дорожку полагаясь на интуицию.

我认为DAWless是一个哲学概念，DAWless代表了一种追求自由的精神。DAWless让我找到了创作声音艺术的乐趣。

I think DAWless is a philosophical concept, and DAWless represents a spirit of pursuit of freedom. DAWless allowed me to find the joy of creating sound art.

因为音乐制作就是从有硬件开始的，所以它本身就是一个音乐存在的一个方式，它有它特有的质感。就比如你在制作的时候一些灵感的碰撞的方式，它其实是跟我们用电脑或软件去做是不太一样的。所以我觉得他代表了一种冒险的精神，一种探索的精神，这是硬件所特有的一种魅力。

Because music production is orignated from hardware, it is itself a way of music existence, and it has its own unique texture. Just like the way some inspirations collide when you are making, it is actually different from what we do with computers or software. So I think he represents a spirit of adventure and exploration, which is a charm unique to hardware.

尽管硬件的灵活度和工作流没有软件方便，但硬件之所以没有被软件取代，仍然在不断的初新更替。就是因为他的质感，以及在创作过程中能够亲手触摸到音乐的那种魅力，是一种音乐工匠之美，就如同胶片电影一样，令人着迷。好比电子表的发明，并没有取代机械表。

Although the flexibility and workflow of hardware are not as convenient as software, the reason why hardware has not been replaced by software is that it is still constantly being updated. It is because of its texture and the charm of being able to touch the music with your own hands during the creation process. It is a kind of beauty of music craftsmanship, just like a film film, which is fascinating. For example, the invention of electronic watches did not replace mechanical watches.

对于我个人而言，现阶段我并不痴迷于纯硬件，我希望在软件与硬件中找到平衡。既可以让声音有更强的塑造可能同时可以让声音与自身有一些情感连接，在演出中也是一样，在呈现的完整性与个人舞台体验间找到一个平衡。

For me personally, I am not obsessed with pure hardware at this stage. I hope to find a balance between software and hardware. It can not only give the sound a stronger shaping possibility, but also allow the sound to have some emotional connection with itself. The same is true in performances. Find a balance between the completeness of the presentation and the personal stage experience.

DAWless是我表达音乐的一种语言，也是表达情绪的一种武器。每次演出中把自己埋在电线、硬件以及模块组成的set里，像极了一个战壕中的士兵，这是我自己的堡垒，让我不必惧怕任何事物。

DAWless is a language for me to express music and a weapon to express my emotions. During every performance, I bury myself in a set composed of wires, hardware and modules, like a soldier in a trench. This is my own fortress, so I don’t have to be afraid of anything.

我们选择每一个合成器，选择每一个控制器，让自己更加舒适的去创造音乐。这是一种关于媒介和创作的态度，我们可以选择用数码相机拍照，也可以使用胶卷拍照，我们可以选择用唱片DJ也可以放数字媒体。但是就模拟媒介我们能够摸得到，就像唱片上面音乐的纹路一样，我们的身体能够更多的感受到这个音乐本身，或者是我们创作的这个媒介本身，我们与媒介更近，我们能有更多的感受，我们能更好的有感而发。我们在创作中就会更加自由。不管是花多少钱去买一个合成器也好，还是花多少钱去买一个插件也好，我们都是在追求我们自己要的声音，我们自己要的审美。为了让自己更快的接近我们要的这个审美，我们选择用更加原始的东西，让身体去记住这些东西的变化，而不是借助科技程序，慢慢的我们身体会就会积累很多的技术和一些习惯。这些习惯会注入我们的脑中，变成我们演出的一部分，或者我们创作的一部分。我们时时刻刻在磨练自己的身体和技术，而不是利用科技去完成这些事情，就像做锻炼一样。一旦习惯了这种原始创作的流程的话，我们会发现有很多的细节，是我们用数字音频工作站上感受不到的。这个不光光是在声音制作方面，哪怕是在暗房里，或者是在DJ的时候放唱片，放唱片对拍会比用数字对拍难很多。但是我们的身体和耳朵会一遍一遍的去练习。这样的话，我们不管什么时候去演出去表达自己都是自己的习惯。这些东西会融入到我们的生活和血液里边，而不是花了很长时间通过一些科技的拼贴去把它变得完美。我们需要的当下最好的表达自我，而不是通过时间的堆砌去把东西变得好看。这些东西是我自己的身体。我的身体便是我的作品。

We choose every synthesizer and every controller to make it more comfortable for us to create music. This is an attitude about media and creation. We can choose to take pictures with a digital camera or film. We can choose to use a record DJ or play digital media. But with analog media, we can touch it, just like the texture of music on a record. Our bodies can feel more of the music itself, or the medium we create. We are closer to the medium, and we can have a better understanding of it. The more we feel, the better we can express our feelings. We will have more freedom in creation. No matter how much money we spend to buy a synthesizer or how much money we spend to buy a plug-in, we are all pursuing the sound we want and the aesthetic we want. In order to get ourselves closer to the aesthetic we want faster, we choose to use more primitive things and let the body remember the changes in these things instead of relying on technological programs. Slowly, our bodies will accumulate a lot of technology and some habits. These habits become implanted in our brains and become part of our performance, or part of our creations. We are honing our bodies and skills all the time, rather than using technology to do these things like exercise. Once we get used to this original creation process, we will find that there are many details that we cannot feel on a digital audio workstation. This is not only in terms of sound production, even in the darkroom or playing records while DJing, playing records and matching beats is much more difficult than using digital beat matching. But our bodies and ears practice it over and over again. In this case, it is our habit to express ourselves whenever we go to a performance. These things will be integrated into our lives and blood, rather than spending a long time making it perfect through some technological collage. We need to express ourselves best at the moment, rather than making things look good through time. These things are my own body. My body is my work.

我认为的DAWless是一个具有无限创意潜力的代表。在这里，声音没有边界，创意也可以得到无限的扩展。在这里，有一群热爱合成器硬件设备的音乐人及艺术家，大家不光可以互相交流，还可以一起结伴演出，可以尽情享受音乐的自由与流动。我觉得这是DAWless带给我的最大感受。

I think DAWless is a representative of unlimited creative potential. Here, sounds have no boundaries and creativity can be infinitely expanded. Here, there is a group of musicians and artists who love synthesizer hardware equipment. Not only can everyone communicate with each other, but they can also perform together and enjoy the freedom and flow of music. I think this is the biggest feeling that DAWless brings to me.

DAWless令你跳出框架，打破常规思维，将思维从电脑抽离。作为创作人，这个态度可以直接带你到平时触摸不到的领域。所以这都是我设计电子乐器的宗旨，用硬件激发音乐人潜在的艺术细胞。

DAWless allows you to think outside the box, break conventional thinking, and take your mind away from the computer. As a creator, this attitude can directly take you to areas that are usually beyond your reach. So this is my purpose in designing electronic musical instruments, to use hardware to stimulate the potential artistic cells of musicians.

DAWless 是新音乐的探索方式， DAWless 是体验现场音乐的方式，DAWless 是新音色与节奏型的产生方式，DAWless 是现场音乐的未来。

DAWless is exploring new music, DAWless is experiencing live music together, DAWless is discovering new sounds and new rhythms, DAWless is the future of live music.

DAWless 对我来说意味着即兴演奏并享受每时每刻所做的事情，真正活在音乐的当下。首先让我对合成器产生兴趣的是它具备的编排能力，它们很快为我提出新的想法，在某种程度上，演奏模块化系统或 DAWless 系统，感觉就像你与另一个合作伙伴或人工智能或其他东西一起产生一些本来不属于你自己的想法，这就是吸引我投入于DAWless的原因。

DAWless to me means improvising, playing, and enjoying what you're doing moment by moment, truly living in the moment with music. The thing that first got me interested in playing modular synthesizers was all the sequencing abilities that are really quick to come up with new ideas, and in a way, playing with a modular system or a DAWless system, it almost feels like you're playing with another partner or an artificial intelligence or something that's just generating ideas that wouldn't have come from yourself, and that's what attracts me to playing DAWless.

DAWless 对我来说意味着对电子乐器（例如合成器、鼓计算机或模块化系统）的深入研究和使用。至关重要的是电子仪器的直观触觉、实时修改和调制声音，连接到俱乐部的观众并即兴创作的音乐。这一切都是DAWless。

DAWless bedeutet für mich sich intensiv mit elektronischen musik instrumenten wie synthesizer und drum computern oder ein modulator, dabei spielt die haptik der elektronischen musik instrument eine essentielle rolle, klänge in echt zeit zu modellieren zu verän dern, auf die stimmung, im club einzugehen und zu improvisieren, das alles ist DAWless.

我一直在探索音乐的可能性， 不试图控制它的每一个细节。DAWless 让这一切发生的方式与使用计算机非常不同。这可以追溯到电子音乐的起源，机器也可以演奏我们。DAWless音乐可以在表演者、观众和空间的当下出现。因为你面前有太多的旋钮、开关和滑块，而且必须实时做出决定，并用仅有的双手来完成所有事情。而我认为，无论如何，音乐永远不会完美，当表演者愿意放弃控制一切的时候，它反而会创造出一些很意外的东西，DAWless用一种很有趣的方式来做到这一点。

I’m interested in discovering music. Not trying to control every detail of it. Dawless lets that happen in ways that are very different from working with a computer. It goes back to the beginning of electronic music, the machines can also play us. DAWless music can arise in the moment, from the performer, the audience, and the space. From having too many knobs, and switches, and sliders in front of you, and having to make decisions in real time, with too few hands to do everything. It creates something ephemeral when the performer surrenders their will to let things happen. And I think since music is never going to perfect anyway, working Dawless is the fun way to get out there and do it.

我觉得DAWless是一种生活习惯，因为你不会受制于什么工具去做出什么东西，艺术也好、音乐也好，甚至厨艺，甚至你的世界。

I think DAWless is a lifestyle habit, because you are not restricted by which tools you can use to create something, whether it is art, music, or even cooking, or even your own world.

DAWless脱离数字时代的应用，使用传统的乐器鼓机合声器等等。通过物理设备和计时操作回归音乐创作的本质，它是一种回归原始的音乐创作和表演方式，强调直观的体验与身体，参与其中的价值。对于我个人而言，DAWless，其实更是一种生活状态。在AI和数字技术主导的今天，我们仍能够主动去追寻一种独特性与创造力的空间。然而，DAWless并不意味着全然拒绝技术发展的成果，而是在技术和人类最直接的体验、经验之间，寻找一种和谐共存的状态。

DAWless breaks away from the application of the digital age and uses traditional instruments, drum machines, chorus, etc. Returning to the essence of music creation through physical equipment and timing operations, it is a return to the original way of music creation and performance, emphasizing the value of intuitive experience and body, and participation. For me personally, DAWless is actually a state of life. Today, dominated by AI and digital technology, we can still proactively pursue a space of uniqueness and creativity. However, DAWless does not mean completely rejecting the achievements of technological development, but looking for a state of harmonious coexistence between technology and the most direct human experience.

我认为，DAWless代表了一种自由不受拘束大胆创新的精神，在使用软件时，会常常被屏幕和鼠标局限，而DAWless，则可以直接与音乐设备互动。从而带来实时的创作乐趣。DAWless也强调了音乐制作中的即兴和实验，让音乐人能够更加随性的表达自己的创意，如果想呈现出一场精彩的set更是需要持续不断的打磨精益求精并反复练习，这也是不断追求完美的创神，对我个人而言，DAWless是一种更加沉浸式更加自由的创作方式，通过直接的互动，能够更加直观的感受到音乐的演化。此外，也能使我更加投入到纯粹的音乐创作过程中，给我带来了很多瞬时灵感。

I think DAWless represents a spirit of freedom and bold innovation. When using software, you are often limited by the screen and mouse, but DAWless can directly interact with music equipment. This brings real-time creative fun. DAWless also emphasizes improvisation and experimentation in music production, allowing musicians to express their creativity more casually. If you want to present a wonderful set, you need continuous polishing, excellence and repeated practice. This is also a constant pursuit. The perfect creator. For me personally, DAWless is a more immersive and free way to create. Through direct interaction, I can feel the evolution of music more intuitively. In addition, it also allows me to be more immersed in the pure music creation process, which brings me a lot of instant inspiration.

DAWless这个词对我来说，最重要的是在于链接，你可以通过硬件设备上所有旋钮去链接你想要的一切的东西，在做音乐的时候，它连接的是你的音色，你想做出的东西，它连接了你的思想和你的肉体，最终输出的在舞台上，它连接所有的听众，还有所有的氛围。

To me, the most important thing about the word DAWless is “linking”. You can link everything you want through all the knobs on the hardware device. When making music, it is connected to your tone and what you want to do. What comes out connects your mind and your body, and what is finally output on the stage connects all the listeners and all the atmosphere.

你在创作的过程中，本身就要拥抱不同机器的限制，由它本身的限制去提取最大的效用，这个是电子音乐的本质，也是电子音乐的精神。

You are in the process of creation. It is necessary to embrace the limitations of different machines and extract the maximum effectiveness from its own limitations. This is the essence of electronic music and the spirit of electronic music.

我觉得DAWless这个概念对我来说，是从音乐某个部分，或者是每一个不同的部分出发，用有限的硬件来达到音乐之间元素合作分工的有机平衡。而这样的玩法，对于音乐的创作来说，可以带来无限的创意，有更多的可能性。

I think the concept of DAWless for me is to start from a certain part of the music, or each different part, and use limited hardware to achieve an organic balance of division of labor between the elements of the music. And this kind of gameplay can bring unlimited creativity and more possibilities to music creation.

DAWless是更深度、更原始、更纯粹、更原始的一种追求，能让我在做事情的时候，有更清晰、有更深的感触。

DAWless is a pursuit that is deeper, more original, purer, and more original. It allows me to have clearer and deeper feelings when doing something.

我认为的DAWless不仅是现场合成器演奏的代名词。他更像是一个神奇的音乐共同体，他拥有独特的生命力和魅力。在当代音乐快速发展时代中，坚守现场合成演奏的独特灵魂。每当我们沉浸在其音乐的意境中时，仿佛被引领进入了一个神秘的音乐领域。在此之中，我们能够感受到音乐的原始和纯粹，并体验着音乐的无限可能性。当我们涉足DAWless的世界时，仿佛进入了一个全新的音乐领域。在这个领域里，我们不受任何数字界限或虚拟界面的限制，而是直接与现场合成器和音频设备相连，呈现出一种原始而纯粹的音乐体验。在这里，音乐不再是简单的声音，而是一种情感的传达和灵魂的共鸣。

I think DAWless is not just synonymous with live synthesizer playing. He is more like a magical musical community with unique vitality and charm. In the era of rapid development of contemporary music, we insist on the unique soul of live synthesis performance. Whenever we are immersed in the artistic conception of its music, we seem to be led into a mysterious musical realm. In this, we can feel the originality and purity of music, and experience the infinite possibilities of music. When we set foot in the world of DAWless, it feels like we have entered a new musical realm. In this space, we are not limited by any digital boundaries or virtual interfaces, but directly connected to live synthesizers and audio equipment, presenting a raw and pure musical experience. Here, music is no longer a simple sound, but a conveyance of emotion and resonance of the soul.

我认为的DAWless是对自己的克制，拥有太多选择在创作时反而会陷入不知所措，利用硬件的限制会得到一些有意思的逻辑，可以灵活运用到日常的创作当中。

I think DAWless is about self-restraint. Having too many choices will make you feel overwhelmed when creating. Taking advantage of the limitations of the hardware, you will get some interesting logic, which can be flexibly used in daily creation.

我觉得一句话总结：anything DAWless is futuristic，现在大家生活都很忙碌，节奏非常快。有一个能让你完全放下屏幕时间，享受自己做自己沉浸在里面的感觉真的很好。我觉得未来也是，当科技发达到一定的程度，我们肯定会想要摆脱更多东西的束缚，能过上更极简的生活，也就是less is more。所以在我眼里看来，DAWless是一个非常有未来感的事情。

What concept do I think DAWless is? I think everything DAWless is futuristic can be summed up in one sentence. Nowadays, everyone’s life is very busy and the pace is very fast. It’s really nice to have something that allows you to completely put down your screen time, immerse yourself in a world, enjoy yourself and be immersed in it. I think it will be the same in the future. When technology develops to a certain level, we will definitely want to get rid of the shackles of more things and live a more minimalist life. Less is more. So in my eyes, DAWless is a very futuristic thing.

DAWless是一个高度人文化的概念，他像是全面智能化时代下，由艺术家们发出的一声微弱但却铿锵有力的呐喊。这种呐喊是对匠人精神的呼唤，是对快消文化的抵制，是对效率至上的反叛。

DAWless is a highly humanistic concept. It is like a weak but sonorous and powerful cry issued by artists in the era of comprehensive intelligence. This cry is a call for the spirit of craftsmanship, a resistance to fast-moving culture, and a rebellion against the supremacy of efficiency.