专访 Alpine Decline | 用真实的声音歌唱 写出真正想说的话

文化   2024-11-27 17:30   北京  

时隔三年,由 Jonathan Zeitlin 与 Pauline Zeitlin 组成的双人组 Alpine Decline 近期发布了他们的最新专辑《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future》并开启了久违的中国巡演。在这张与不同录音室、乐手合作的四篇章专辑中,他们维持了一贯属于 Alpine Decline 的梦幻气质和在舒适感之下潜伏的危险气息,成为今年度稳当又不乏惊喜的,值得收听的作品之一。赶在巡演途中,UPEE 有幸邀请了 Alpine Decline 两位成员进行一期采访,分享这张专辑与这段时间的创作和思考。


[Review] Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future (2024)






UPEE:时隔多年再次发新作品,你们觉得从《For the Betterment of Well People》到《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future: Volumes I-IV》之间,Alpine Decline 有发生哪些变化吗?

Alpine Decline:为了录制《For the Betterment of Well People》,我们组建了一支由六位加州音乐人组成的大型乐队,创造出一种闪烁、明媚的声音,这种声音与专辑的迷幻隐喻相契合,并且这那也是一次难得的机会,能与杨海崧在洛杉矶的一家经典的录音室里合作。就像是捕捉到了某个瞬间的照片。但是,《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future》是一个历时四年、由众多音乐人和制作人共同参与的庞大复杂项目,覆盖了许多不同的主题。像所有人一样,我们在 COVID 及其后的几年里发生了很多变化,这张专辑也反映了这种分裂。我们真心觉得,听众需要多听几遍才能完全领略每一卷专辑的魅力,但一如既往地,我们认为,在这整个作品中,有一些东西明确地展现了 Alpine Decline 的特色。

To record “For the Betterment of Well People” we formed a big six piece band of California musicians to create a kind of shimmering, sunny sound that fit the psychedelic metaphor of the record, and was a unique chance to work with Yang Haisong in a classic LA studio. It’s really like a photograph of a single moment in time. But “Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future” was a really long complex project over 4 years with many musicians and producers to journey through many different themes. Like everyone, we changed a lot through COVID and the years that followed, and this album reflects that fragmentation. We really think it will take a few listens for each volume of the album to open up to the listener, but as always we think there is something clearly identifiable as Alpine Decline through the whole thing.



UPEE:敌托邦是 Alpine Decline 的创作表达里重要的一部分,可以分享它与这次专辑“由也许会被遥远未来的人类或外星人探索废墟时发现的单曲”概念之间的关联吗?为什么想到从这样的主题展开创作?
Alpine Decline:难道你不觉得世界仿佛正摇摇欲坠,濒临某种未知的境地吗?对我们来说,它并非纯粹的末日景象,或者不仅仅是末日景象。而且,这一切也不全是外部因素导致的——我们一直在探索,我们的内心体验是如何变得饱和、扭曲,进而影响我们如何感知和生活在现实世界,以及如何与他人建立联系。我们总是设想,在几千年后的废墟中,有人会发现我们的音乐,但这只是一个框架——一种将这些不同的卷册连贯地拼凑在一起的方式,也是我们在某种程度上接受现实的一种方式,即我们的音乐在当今时代并不那么与“流行”适应,但未来的人们或生物在试图理解我们的星球发生了什么时,可能会误解它并认为它本应如此。
Doesn’t it feel like the world is teetering on the edge of SOMETHING? For us it isn’t exactly dystopia, or isn’t ONLY dystopia. And it isn’t all external — we are always exploring the way our internal experience can get saturated and distorted and influence how we perceive and live in the real world and connect with others. The concept of someone discovering our music from the rubble millennia from now is something we’ve always played with, but it’s just a framework — it’s just a way to piece these different volumes together coherently and also a little bit of us embracing the reality that our music is a bit too strange for our current times to be popular, but might e misinterpreted as such by people or creatures trying to understand what happened to our planet.


UPEE《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future: Volumes I-IV》四个章节内容各异又有一致、延续的气质,可以分享在这张专辑中你们最喜欢的曲目吗?

Alpine Decline:这些歌曲就像是我们的孩子,很难选出最喜欢的,但《Stranded on a Primitive Planet》《If It Could Be That Way》《You’ve Got that Light in Your Eyes》《Onion Valley》这些歌曲,都有着某种特别的魔力。

These songs are our babies and it’s hard to choose favorites, but songs like “Stranded on a Primitive Planet”, “If It Could Be That Way”, “You’ve Got that Light in Your Eyes”, and “Onion Valley”, caught some kind of special magic.


UPEE《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future: Volumes I-IV》四个部分都有与不同的音乐人进行合作,在这张专辑的制作过程中有哪些令你们印象深刻的记忆?

Alpine Decline:每一个都独具特色!我闭上眼睛就能回想起与之前制作了《For the Betterment of Well People》的六人乐队再一起现场录制第一卷的情景,那种现场录音到磁带的感觉至今仍让我记忆犹新。或者在传奇的DIY场地 Non Plus Ultra,与 Spooky 一起抛开杂念,为第二卷叠加那些狂野的合成音效,那也是一个难忘的时刻。还有,当我们的老朋友 Luke Pacquin (Hot Hot Heat, Tashaki Miyaki) 穿着内裤和拖鞋从房间里走出来,为第三卷录制独奏时,我们大家都忍不住笑了出来,那个场景实在太过搞笑又温馨。说实话,当你在一张专辑上投入了这么多年的时间和精力,就会积累下无数的回忆,真的很难只挑选出几个来讲述!

Each one was so special! I can close my eyes and remember recording Volume I with the full 6 piece band from “For the Betterment of Well People” live to tape. Or getting out of our heads with Spooky at the legendary DIY venue Non Plus Ultra and layering wild synths for Volume II. Or cracking up while our old friend Luke Pacquin (Hot Hot Heat, Tashaki Miyaki) came out of his room in his underwear and flip flops to solo on Volume III. Honestly when you spend so many years on a record, there are just too many memories to isolate a few!



UPEE:印象中尽管 Alpine Decline 是“二人组”,却在这次创作和一些演出中都有与乐手的合作。这次回到中国开始巡演是熟悉的杨海崧作为贝斯手,而在专辑中“浪漫”一章节则是和制作了《Alpine Decline》的前成员 Dan Horne 一起合作——与老朋友的新合作是怎样的体验?有带来哪些新的感受吗?

Alpine Decline:也许从事音乐最美好的事情就是能遇到最非凡的人。虽然我们始终明白Alpine Decline的核心是我们两个人,但我们总是希望能与制作人建立深厚的合作关系。他们不仅仅是录制我们的音乐,更是与我们一同踏上旅程。Dan Horne 曾与我们一同在之前的乐队演奏,在我二十出头、我们在洛杉矶的音乐场景闯荡的那段时间里,他还是我的室友。我们成长了很多,也改变了很多,尤其是当我们搬到中国后。但当我们再次相聚时,仍然就像兄弟一样默契无间。由于 COVID,我们很遗憾没能在新专辑中与杨海崧合作,所以能在这次巡演中与他同台演出,感觉非常特别。

Maybe the best thing about making a life in music is meeting the most extraordinary people, and while we will always understand the core of Alpine Decline is the two of us, we ALWAYS want to form a deep partnership with our producers. They aren’t just recording us — they are joining us on a journey. Dan Horne played with us in a previous band, and he was my roommate in my early twenties when we were young and wild in the LA scene. We’ve grown and changed so much, especially when we moved to China, but you always fit right back together like with a brother. It was sad we could’t work with Yang Haisong on the new album due to COVID, so it’s special to play with him on this tour.


UPEE:Alpine Decline 与北京、洛杉矶两个城市相关,而《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future: Volumes I-IV》是你们完全在海外完成的作品,与之前的音乐相比,你们觉得这两个地方有给你们带来怎样的不同感受吗,这些感受是否会在音乐层面带来一些启迪?
Alpine Decline:虽然《For the Betterment of Well People》很明显是一张充满加州特色的专辑,与那张专辑的主题非常契合,但我认为《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future》并不局限于某一个地方。第二卷中的歌曲名字是特意以我们在加州探索过的真实山脉命名的,但我认为专辑中的某些元素在很大程度上回归了我们在北京时的精神状态。我认为,只要你听了足够多次,你就能听到我们所有不同经历的碰撞与交融。我们真的在努力讲述一个由多个部分组成的故事,让你能从各个角度看到Alpine Decline——从混乱的噪音到令人心痛的旋律,以及这两者之间的所有内容。
While “For the Betterment of Well People” was very deliberately a California album appropriate to the themes of that record, I don’t think”Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future” exists in either place. The songs in Volume II are deliberately named after real mountains we explored in California, but I think there are some elements of the album that are very much a return to the state of mind we had in Beijing. I think with enough listens, you can hear all the different places we’ve been colliding and swirling together. We’re really trying to tell a multi-part story where you can see Alpine Decline from every angle — chaotic noise to aching melodies and everything in between.



UPEE:因为笔者本人是年轻一代的听众,在听到 Alpine Decline 时会对你们创作里一些不那么“华语”印象的意识感到惊喜——作为一支即将成为成军15年的乐队,你们有什么想对才刚开始收听你们的年轻乐迷说的吗?

至于“成军时间长”或者“与其他华语摇滚乐队不同”这样的标签,会给你们带来压力吗?

Alpine Decline:我们毫无压力!我们对音乐是认真的,但总的来说,与人们在这个世界上生活所面临的真正压力相比,艺术只是一种游戏。受到周围音乐人的影响是很自然的,但我认为,最重要的是做自己:用你真实的声音去歌唱,写下你真正想说的,即使它不符合你周围所谓的潮流或时尚;尽可能地深入生活,这样你或许就能感受到某种强烈的情感,这种情感会不由自主地体现在你的音乐中。我所追求的始终是确保音乐真实地反映我们自己,以至于世界上没有其他人能创作出这样的音乐。Alpine Decline 是独一无二的,因为在这个世界上,只有一个 Jonathan 和一个 Pauline。

We feel no pressure! We’re serious about our music, but in general art is kind of just a game compared to the real pressure people face living in this world. It’s natural to be influenced by musicians around you, but I think the absolute most important thing is to be yourself: sing in your real voice, write the words you really want to say even if it doesn’t fit what’s cool or happening around you, live as deeply as you can so you might feel something so strongly it can’t help but come out in your music. All I ever want is to be sure that the music is so true to ourselves that no one else in the world could make it. There is only one Alpine Decline because there is only one Jonathan and one Pauline in this world.



UPEE:与不同的乐手合作完成一张专辑似乎很考验音乐人对作品进行“整体控制”的能力。你们是如何让 《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future: Volumes I-IV》呈现出当下这样整体气质相对统一,而情绪线连贯的?

Alpine Decline:所有这些不同的录音室、乐手和风格,就像是我们可以穿戴的服装,就像剧院里的演员一样。有趣之处在于,当我们用所有这些变量进行演奏时,音乐中始终保持一致的是什么——无论那是什么,你都可以指出来说,那就是Alpine Decline的灵魂。

All these different studios and musicians and styles are just like costumes we can put on, like actors in the theater. The interesting part is what remains consistent through the music when we play with all these variables — whatever that is, that’s the thing you can point to and say that’s the soul of Alpine Decline.


UPEE:除此之外,在之后的作品创作中你们还有想有哪些想要进行的尝试?

Alpine Decline:目前,我们仍然深陷于《Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future》的世界中,但你可以肯定的是,不久之后,我和Pauline就会开始酝酿新的想法。这无法逃避——下一件事很快就会找到我们。

For now we are still neck deep in the worlds of “Underground Hits from the Far Out Distant Future”, but you can be sure soon Pauline and I will start spinning up new ideas. We can’t escape it — the next thing will find us soon enough.




11-21 北京 黄昏黎明俱乐部 DDC w/ paki paki

11-22 杭州 loopy Live w/鸡毛大

11-23周六 上海 育音堂 Specters 俱乐 w/固体李逵

11-24周日 南京 1701 Live House(下午场)

11-26周二 武汉 社区 w/狗矢运

11-27 广州 声音共和·昨日世界酒馆 w/鼠鼠鼠

11-28周四 重庆 坚果 NUTS LIVEHOUSE(改为无嘉宾)

11-29周五 成都 24D Space w/返校日

11-30 西安 西演 SPACE 福星现场 w/属梨

12-01周日 北京 Museum w/空加太


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